Prime.. What has that (whether the Watchtower is liable for the decision) got to do with the public interest in this case? For one thing, it demonstrates that the 'child abusers are not appointed to positions of oversight' defense is not always true. Also it shows that incompetent/irresponsible men are trusted with peoples lives (spiritually and physically) within Jehovahs spirit-directed organisation (then the Watchtower tells you to obey them as if they were appointed by holy spirit). And finally, as Richard pointed out, it shows that caution is needed as to letting Jw's into your house if you have children.. when even those who know of an abuser, by firsthand admission, could authorise them to continue to do so.
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Video of admitted child molester in Jehovahs Witnesses has gone viral!
by disfellowshipped1 innotice these two attorneys opining on this case.. http://watchtowerleaks.com/tagged/child-molestation.
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Why does an Omni... God need Jesus and the 144,000 co-rulers?
by jwfacts inat the thread about jaracz steve2 made the following interesting comment.
by now, ted should be finding his heavenly posting a routinized bore: 4 years and still counting.
he will have chaffed at the notion that all decisions are made by jehovah god who consults no one and who brooks no questioning or independent thinking.
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Elders give in to Satan's judicial system
by snare&racket in.
disgusting..... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2365992/gordon-leighton-child-abuse-trial-orders-jehovahs-witness-leaders-evidence.html.
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Joe-- You've only been here 5 minutes, don't get too cocky ;) Snare-- You can go to this thread for full discussion and an apologist thrown in for good measure.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/child-abuse/257282/1/Britain-Jehovahs-Witnesses-hushed-up-child-sex-scandal-July-16-2013
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Britain | Jehovah's Witnesses hushed up child sex scandal | July 16, 2013
by jwleaks inchurch officials hushed up a child sex scandal in their ranks and refused to co-operate with police.. .
jehovah witness ministerial servant gordon leighton admitted sexually abusing a child when he was confronted by his church elders, a court heard.. but during the official police investigation, the 53-year-old who made headlines in the 1990s when wife yvonne, 28, died after refusing a blood transfusion after childbirth on religious grounds denied any illegal wrongdoing.. and when detectives asked elders simon preyser, harry logan and david scott to make statements about the confession, all three refused and said what they had heard was confidential.. for three years, the elders refused to co-operate with the criminal investigation and kept up that stance when the case was brought before newcastle crown court after the victim made a complaint to police.. each was issued with a witness summons which they fought to overturn before being ordered to testify by judge penny moreland citing public interest.. their barrister richard daniels said the men had a duty to god not to breach confidence.. he added: privileged communication between members of the congregation and ministers is an absolute right and duty and there is no power in law to breach such a confidence.. judge moreland said: it is apparent that the three elders who were present when this conversation took place are in possession of relevant evidence as to a point which is of real significance in this case.. they claim the right of confidentiality, they claim that what they heard said by the defendant during the course of that meeting ought to be subject to privilege, as ministers of religion.. judge moreland refused to withdraw the summonses and said: public interest is clearly in favour of this evidence being given.. what was said by the defendant on that occasion is of great significance in the trial.. despite the judges ruling, the men still refused to make statements to police until just hours before they were called before the jury.. leighton, who has since been expelled from the church at lambton kingdom hall in washington, denied two charges of indecency with a child and seven of indecent assault.. he was yesterday found guilty of two charges of indecency with a child and six of indecent assault.
he was found not guilty of one indecent assault charge, on the direction of the judge.. he was remanded in custody until he is sentenced next month but warned he is facing a lengthy spell behind bars.. prosecutor katherine dunn told the court the victim, who is now an adult, broke her silence in 2009.. the court heard how at a special church meeting, leighton admitted sexual abuse and made excuses for his behaviour.. miss dunn said: the elders conducted their own investigation.
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Besty- Predicted response (from Prime anyway): "The elders do not investigate or ask leading questions, so what you quote has no legal bearing on this case. The Watchtower has no right to direct them to do anything that the law does not obligate them to do. I was not primarily discussing the Watchtower child protection policy. In a totally unrelated incident in some school somewhere, some headmasters prefer not to report all suspected abuse (although they no doubt would if they had been told abuse occurred, but let's gloss over that). In fact, the majority of the nation don't agree that all suspected abuse should be reported. This is not just my opinion, I state it as fact. No evidence required, Prime has spoken and so it shall be." ;)
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Jehovahs Witnesses mentioned in the Metro today
by The Quiet One in"on the french wikipedia, politician segolene royal caused the most edit wars, followed by ufos and jehovahs witnesses" http://metro.co.uk/2013/07/18/hitler-george-w-bush-and-jesus-most-controversial-wikipedia-topics-3889208/.
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"On the French Wikipedia, politician Ségolène Royal caused the most edit wars, followed by UFOs and Jehovah’s Witnesses" http://metro.co.uk/2013/07/18/hitler-george-w-bush-and-jesus-most-controversial-wikipedia-topics-3889208/
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Press release: WT human rights violation
by Dogpatch inhello randy,.
the human rights organization i am affiliated is sending out this press release on human rights violation by the jehovah's witnesses.
it cites several united nation human rights documents.---john brown.
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Bttt.. Food for thought
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New to studies Thank You
by mysticalwolf40 ini am fairly new to learning the truth with jehovah's witnesses.
we have been having 2 home bible studies a week for over 4 months now and we started going to the kingdom hall 3+ months now.
i am enjoying my studies and the brothers and sisters are wonderful .
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Welcome to the site! Listen out for the symposium at the Convention on Apostates, it's talking about normal, everyday people like us. It will tell you to avoid us as we are all mentally diseased.. Do you like the film, The Matrix? If so, you might be interested in this page.. "..It parallels well with the philosophical question posed in the movie The Matrix written by Andy&Larry Wachowski. Neo:What truth? Morpheus:That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else, you were born into bondage, born inside a prison that you cannot smell, taste, or touch. A prison for your mind. (long pause, sighs) Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself. This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. (In his left hand, Morpheus shows a blue pill.) Morpheus:You take the blue pill and the story ends. You wake in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. (a red pill is shown in his other hand) You take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. (Long pause; Neo begins to reach for the red pill) Remember -- all I am offering is thetruth, nothing more.' For many people, it is easier to take the figurative blue pill and think no further as to whether what they believe is truth. Viewing the history of Watchtower doctrine, complete with all that was wrong and that has changed back and forth multiple times brings one to the understanding that holy spirit does not direct the Watchtower teachings. The same is true in regard to the appointment of brothers as well as the disfellowshipping of wrongdoers, which are also said to be done under the guidance of the holy spirit. At times, Witnesses are appointed to positions of authority whilst engaging in gross sin, making it apparent that holy spirit is not guiding the Watchtower organisation in this area either. Few people, aware of the above information prior to baptism, convert to being Jehovah's Witnesses. Once a person is ready to accept that the Watchtower Society has made significant mistakes, was not dispensing the proper food in 1919 and is not an organisation directed by God and his holy spirit, the question arises, How was I ever so sure it was thetruth?" http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/15-minute-guide-to-truth.php
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Gerrit Loesch was at our DC today!
by goatshapeddemon inso, unexpectedly, the final talk was announced today and to my surprise and evil glee, they announced gerrit loesch as the speaker!
first off, at the beginning of his talk, he interrupted himself in the middle of his sentence to scold the microphone brother to lower my mike it's right in my face.. anyway, it was the talk on inspired truth, vs. inspired falsehoods.
he went through 6 expressions inspired by the demons.
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Shattered Reality, could you ask for a copy of the official recording?
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Put a 'No Junk Mail' sign on your door
by The Quiet One inhttp://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/10308-no-junk-mail/#entry160215 .
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Pm for Scully
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Put a 'No Junk Mail' sign on your door
by The Quiet One inhttp://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/10308-no-junk-mail/#entry160215 .
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